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Job 34

Job 34:7–37, World English Bible

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  1. 7 What man is like Job, who drinks scorn like water,
  2. 8 who goes in company with the workers of iniquity, and walks with wicked men?
  3. 9 For he has said, ‘It profits a man nothing that he should delight himself with God.’
  4. 10 “Therefore listen to me, you men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness, from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.
  5. 11 For the work of a man he will give to him, and cause every man to find according to his ways.
  6. 12 Yes surely, God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert justice.
  7. 13 Who put him in charge of the earth? Or who has appointed him over the whole world?
  8. 14 If he set his heart on himself, if he gathered to himself his spirit and his breath,
  9. 15 all flesh would perish together, and man would turn again to dust.
  10. 16 “If now you have understanding, hear this. Listen to the voice of my words.
  11. 17 Should even one who hates justice govern? Will you condemn him who is righteous and mighty,
  12. 18 who says to a king, ‘Vile!’ or to nobles, ‘Wicked!’?
  13. 19 He doesn’t respect the persons of princes, nor respect the rich more than the poor, for they all are the work of his hands.
  14. 20 In a moment they die, even at midnight. The people are shaken and pass away. The mighty are taken away without a hand.
  15. 21 “For his eyes are on the ways of a man. He sees all his goings.
  16. 22 There is no darkness, nor thick gloom, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves.
  17. 23 For he doesn’t need to consider a man further, that he should go before God in judgment.
  18. 24 He breaks mighty men in pieces in ways past finding out, and sets others in their place.
  19. 25 Therefore he takes knowledge of their works. He overturns them in the night, so that they are destroyed.
  20. 26 He strikes them as wicked men in the open sight of others;
  21. 27 because they turned away from following him, and wouldn’t pay attention to any of his ways,
  22. 28 so that they caused the cry of the poor to come to him. He heard the cry of the afflicted.
  23. 29 When he gives quietness, who then can condemn? When he hides his face, who then can see him? He is over a nation or a man alike,
  24. 30 that the godless man may not reign, that there be no one to ensnare the people.
  25. 31 “For has any said to God, ‘I am guilty, but I will not offend any more.
  26. 32 Teach me that which I don’t see. If I have done iniquity, I will do it no more’?
  27. 33 Shall his recompense be as you desire, that you refuse it? For you must choose, and not I. Therefore speak what you know.
  28. 34 Men of understanding will tell me, yes, every wise man who hears me:
  29. 35 ‘Job speaks without knowledge. His words are without wisdom.’
  30. 36 I wish that Job were tried to the end, because of his answering like wicked men.
  31. 37 For he adds rebellion to his sin. He claps his hands among us, and multiplies his words against God.”

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  • Gregory the Greatc. 540–604Early church, WestMorals on the Book of Job · on Job 34:7–11Behold how Eliu declares him to be a sinner beyond comparison, whom the Truth pronounces to be righteous beyond comparison. … But that he never said so, every one acknowledges who reads the words of blessed Job. … He well said, that iniquity or unmercifulness is not in Almighty God. But that which he added is by no means always the case in this life, namely, that He renders to each man according to his work, and according to his own ways. … For the same blessed Job had not been scourged for any fault, who was praised by the attestation of the Judge Himself before the smarting of the scourge. Eliu therefore would speak more truly, if he had said, That there is not unmercifulness and iniquity in God, even when He seems not to render to men according to their own ways. For even that which we do not understand, is brought forth from the righteous balance of secret judgment.
    Behold how Eliu declares him to be a sinner beyond comparison, whom the Truth pronounces to be righteous beyond comparison. … But that he never said so, every one acknowledges who reads the words of blessed Job. … He well said, that iniquity or unmercifulness is not in Almighty God. But that which he added is by no means always the case in this life, namely, that He renders to each man according to his work, and according to his own ways. … For the same blessed Job had not been scourged for any fault, who was praised by the attestation of the Judge Himself before the smarting of the scourge. Eliu therefore would speak more truly, if he had said, That there is not unmercifulness and iniquity in God, even when He seems not to render to men according to their own ways. For even that which we do not understand, is brought forth from the righteous balance of secret judgment.

    Gregory the Great, Morals on the Book of Job, book 24, on 34:7–11 (his Latin Bible has 34:9 as “A man will not please God, even though he run with Him”); translated in the Library of the Fathers (Oxford, 1844–1850); the text of Lectionary Central. The edition

    Bishop of Rome from 590, whose Morals on the Book of Job and sermons on the Gospels were read across the medieval church.

  • Gregory the Greatc. 540–604Early church, WestMorals on the Book of Job · on Job 34:35–36He believed that blessed Job had spoken without discipline, because he said, that he had been just in his doings. Eliu would perhaps be speaking truly, if the Author of discipline had not Himself agreed with what blessed Job had said of himself. For Job asserted that he had been scourged undeservedly, whom God declared also to have been smitten without reason. What haughtiness then did the voice of the sufferer utter, which did not at all differ from the sentence of the Smiter? … These are wishes peculiar to the haughty, to pray that the lives of those who are suffering may be more severely examined, because the more just they are in their own eyes, the more hardened are they in others’ sufferings. … But when men, who are truly holy, behold any one smitten, even for his faults, though they reprove some of his inordinate doings, yet they sympathize with some of his sufferings; and they are so skilled in keeping down swellings, as yet to know how to relieve wounds, in order that when their hardnesses are softened, their infirmities may be strengthened.
    He believed that blessed Job had spoken without discipline, because he said, that he had been just in his doings. Eliu would perhaps be speaking truly, if the Author of discipline had not Himself agreed with what blessed Job had said of himself. For Job asserted that he had been scourged undeservedly, whom God declared also to have been smitten without reason. What haughtiness then did the voice of the sufferer utter, which did not at all differ from the sentence of the Smiter? … These are wishes peculiar to the haughty, to pray that the lives of those who are suffering may be more severely examined, because the more just they are in their own eyes, the more hardened are they in others’ sufferings. … But when men, who are truly holy, behold any one smitten, even for his faults, though they reprove some of his inordinate doings, yet they sympathize with some of his sufferings; and they are so skilled in keeping down swellings, as yet to know how to relieve wounds, in order that when their hardnesses are softened, their infirmities may be strengthened.

    Gregory the Great, Morals on the Book of Job, book 26, on 34:35–36 (his Latin Bible has “Job hath spoken foolishly, and his words sound not of discipline” and “My Father, let Job be tried even to the end”); translated in the Library of the Fathers (Oxford, 1844–1850); the text of Lectionary Central. The edition

    Bishop of Rome from 590, whose Morals on the Book of Job and sermons on the Gospels were read across the medieval church.

  • Maimonides1138–1204JewishThe Guide for the Perplexed · on Job 34:21–22We must content ourselves with this, and believe that nothing is hidden from God, as Elihu says: “For his eyes are upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings. There is no darkness nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves” (xxxiv. 21, 22). But the term management, when applied to God, has not the same meaning which it has when applied to us; and when we say that He rules His creatures we do not mean that He does the same as we do when we rule over other beings. The term “rule” has not the same definition in both cases; it signifies two different notions, which have nothing in common but the name.
    We must content ourselves with this, and believe that nothing is hidden from God, as Elihu says: “For his eyes are upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings. There is no darkness nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves” (xxxiv. 21, 22). But the term management, when applied to God, has not the same meaning which it has when applied to us; and when we say that He rules His creatures we do not mean that He does the same as we do when we rule over other beings. The term “rule” has not the same definition in both cases; it signifies two different notions, which have nothing in common but the name.

    Maimonides, The Guide for the Perplexed, part III, chapter 23 (“this” is that God’s rule of His creatures cannot be compared with ours); translated by M. Friedländer (second edition, London, 1904; the text of Project Gutenberg). The edition

    Rabbi Moses ben Maimon of Córdoba and Cairo, physician and philosopher, whose Guide for the Perplexed reads the Bible's hardest passages with the philosophy of his day.

  • Matthew Henry1662–1714English PresbyterianCommentary on the Whole Bible · on Job 34:9He hath said that which gives occasion to suspect that he thinks it profiteth a man nothing that he should delight himself with God. It is granted that there is a present pleasure in religion; for what is it but to delight ourselves with God, in communion with him, in concurrence with him, in walking with him as Enoch did? … This Elihu gathers as Job's opinion, by an innuendo from what he said (Job 9:22), He destroys the perfect and the wicked, which has a truth in it (for all things come alike to all), but it was ill expressed, and gave too much occasion for this imputation, and therefore Job sat down silently under it and attempted not his own vindication, whence Mr. Caryl well observes that good men sometimes speak worse than they mean, and that a good man will rather bear more blame than he deserves than to stand to excuse himself when he has deserved any blame.
    He hath said that which gives occasion to suspect that he thinks it profiteth a man nothing that he should delight himself with God. It is granted that there is a present pleasure in religion; for what is it but to delight ourselves with God, in communion with him, in concurrence with him, in walking with him as Enoch did? … This Elihu gathers as Job's opinion, by an innuendo from what he said (Job 9:22), He destroys the perfect and the wicked, which has a truth in it (for all things come alike to all), but it was ill expressed, and gave too much occasion for this imputation, and therefore Job sat down silently under it and attempted not his own vindication, whence Mr. Caryl well observes that good men sometimes speak worse than they mean, and that a good man will rather bear more blame than he deserves than to stand to excuse himself when he has deserved any blame.

    Matthew Henry, Commentary on the Whole Bible, on 34:1–9; 1706–1714; the text of the Free Use Bible API. The edition

    An English Presbyterian minister whose commentary on the whole Bible Protestants have read for three centuries.

  • Matthew Henry1662–1714English PresbyterianCommentary on the Whole Bible · on Job 34:19He regardeth not the rich more than the poor, and therefore it is fit he should rule, and it is not fit we should find fault with him, Job 34:19. Note, Rich and poor stand upon the same level before God. A great man shall fare never the better, nor find any favour, for his wealth and greatness; nor shall a poor man fare ever the worse for his poverty, nor an honest cause be starved. Job, now that he was poor, should have as much favour with God, and be as much regarded by him, as when he was rich; for they are all the work of his hands. Their persons are so: the poor are made by the same hand, and of the same mould, as the rich. Their conditions are so: the poor were made poor by the divine providence, as well as the rich made rich; and therefore the poor shall fare never the worse for that which is their lot, not their fault.
    He regardeth not the rich more than the poor, and therefore it is fit he should rule, and it is not fit we should find fault with him, Job 34:19. Note, Rich and poor stand upon the same level before God. A great man shall fare never the better, nor find any favour, for his wealth and greatness; nor shall a poor man fare ever the worse for his poverty, nor an honest cause be starved. Job, now that he was poor, should have as much favour with God, and be as much regarded by him, as when he was rich; for they are all the work of his hands. Their persons are so: the poor are made by the same hand, and of the same mould, as the rich. Their conditions are so: the poor were made poor by the divine providence, as well as the rich made rich; and therefore the poor shall fare never the worse for that which is their lot, not their fault.

    Matthew Henry, Commentary on the Whole Bible, on 34:16–30; 1706–1714; the text of the Free Use Bible API. The edition

    An English Presbyterian minister whose commentary on the whole Bible Protestants have read for three centuries.

  • John Gill1697–1771BaptistAn Exposition of the Old and New Testament · on Job 34:35Not that Job was an ignorant man, either in things natural or divine; but in this point, about the chastening hand of God upon him, he had said some things which betrayed lack of knowledge, as in Job 34:5; and his words were without wisdom; Job was not destitute of human wisdom, nor of spiritual wisdom, but no man is wise at all times; some things had dropped from him which savoured of folly and ignorance, and which he afterwards was convinced of, and confessed with shame, Job 40:4; being charged by the Lord himself with what he is here by Elihu, Job 38:2; and it may be observed, that Elihu does not charge Job with being a wicked man, as his three friends did, but as having spoken unadvisedly with lips, under his chastening circumstances, and which he labours to convince him of.
    Not that Job was an ignorant man, either in things natural or divine; but in this point, about the chastening hand of God upon him, he had said some things which betrayed lack of knowledge, as in Job 34:5; and his words were without wisdom; Job was not destitute of human wisdom, nor of spiritual wisdom, but no man is wise at all times; some things had dropped from him which savoured of folly and ignorance, and which he afterwards was convinced of, and confessed with shame, Job 40:4; being charged by the Lord himself with what he is here by Elihu, Job 38:2; and it may be observed, that Elihu does not charge Job with being a wicked man, as his three friends did, but as having spoken unadvisedly with lips, under his chastening circumstances, and which he labours to convince him of.

    John Gill, An Exposition of the Old and New Testament, on 34:35; 1746–1763; the text of the Free Use Bible API. The edition

    An English Baptist pastor in London and a scholar of Hebrew and the rabbis, who wrote a verse-by-verse commentary on the whole Bible.

  • Adam Clarkec. 1760–1832MethodistCommentary on the Holy Bible · on Job 34:36–37This is a very harsh wish: but the whole chapter is in the same spirit; nearly destitute of mildness and compassion. Who could suppose that such arguings could come out of the mouth of the loving Savior of mankind? The reader will recollect that a very pious divine has supposed Elihu to be Jesus Christ! … He addeth rebellion unto his sin - An ill-natured, cruel, and unfounded assertion, borne out by nothing which Job had ever said or intended; and indeed, more severe than the most inveterate of his friends (so called) had ever spoken. … Though Elihu began well and tolerantly, he soon got into the spirit, and under the mistake, of those who had preceded him
    This is a very harsh wish: but the whole chapter is in the same spirit; nearly destitute of mildness and compassion. Who could suppose that such arguings could come out of the mouth of the loving Savior of mankind? The reader will recollect that a very pious divine has supposed Elihu to be Jesus Christ! … He addeth rebellion unto his sin - An ill-natured, cruel, and unfounded assertion, borne out by nothing which Job had ever said or intended; and indeed, more severe than the most inveterate of his friends (so called) had ever spoken. … Though Elihu began well and tolerantly, he soon got into the spirit, and under the mistake, of those who had preceded him

    Adam Clarke, Commentary on the Holy Bible, on 34:36–37; 1810–1826; the text of the Free Use Bible API. The edition

    A Methodist preacher and scholar from Ulster, whose commentary on the whole Bible took him nearly forty years.

  • Keil and Delitzsch1807–1888 and 1813–1890LutheranBiblical Commentary on the Old Testament · on Job 34:10–15The clause which Elihu makes prominent in the following reply is the very axiom which the three defend, perfectly true in itself, but falsely applied by them: evil, wrong, are inconceivable on the part of God … Elihu's proof is this: God does not act wrongly, for the government of the world is not a duty imposed upon Him from without, but a relation entered into freely by Him: the world is not the property of another, but of His free creative appointment; and how unselfishly, how devoid of self-seeking He governs it, is clear from the fact, that by the impartation of His living creative breath He sustains every living thing, and does not, as He easily might, allow them to fall away into nothingness. There is therefore a divine love which has called the world into being and keeps it in being; and this love, as the perfect opposite of sovereign caprice, is a pledge for the absolute righteousness of the divine rule. … his theodicy differs essentially from that proclaimed by the friends. It is not derived from mere appearance, but lays hold of the very principles.
    The clause which Elihu makes prominent in the following reply is the very axiom which the three defend, perfectly true in itself, but falsely applied by them: evil, wrong, are inconceivable on the part of God … Elihu's proof is this: God does not act wrongly, for the government of the world is not a duty imposed upon Him from without, but a relation entered into freely by Him: the world is not the property of another, but of His free creative appointment; and how unselfishly, how devoid of self-seeking He governs it, is clear from the fact, that by the impartation of His living creative breath He sustains every living thing, and does not, as He easily might, allow them to fall away into nothingness. There is therefore a divine love which has called the world into being and keeps it in being; and this love, as the perfect opposite of sovereign caprice, is a pledge for the absolute righteousness of the divine rule. … his theodicy differs essentially from that proclaimed by the friends. It is not derived from mere appearance, but lays hold of the very principles.

    Keil and Delitzsch, Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament, on 34:10–15, and from his summary after 34:37; translated by James Martin and others (Edinburgh, 1866–1891); the text of the Free Use Bible API. The edition

    Carl Friedrich Keil and Franz Delitzsch, two German Lutheran scholars of Hebrew whose commentary on the Old Testament is still read for its learning.